813 Free Will and Krishnamurti

Krishnamurti once again helps me coming to grips with an issue: 

Free Will.

You can choose between blue cloth and red cloth, 

and that is about all


Your life is shaped, controlled by the society which you have created. You have created the wars, the leaders; you have created the organized religions of which you are now slaves. So your life is predetermined. And to be free, you must first be aware that your life is predetermined, that it is conditioned, that all your responses are more or less the same as those of everybody else throughout the world. Superficially your responses may be different; you may respond one way here, another way in India or in China, and so on, but fundamentally you are held in the framework of your particular conditioning, and you are never an individual. Therefore it is absurd to talk about freedom and self-determination. You can choose between blue cloth and red cloth, and that is about all; your freedom is on that level. If you go into it very deeply, you will find that you are not an individual at all. But in going into it very deeply, you will also find that you can be free from all this conditioning - as a German, as a Catholic, as a Hindu, as a believer or a nonbeliever. You can be free from it all. Then you will know what it is to have an innocent mind, and it is only such a mind that can find out what is truth.


Krishnamurti, Hamburg 1956,Talk 4

I recently read the book Free Will by Sam Harris and since the issue had been on my mind - below is the essay WILL from my book en.light.en.ment - I was grateful to read K's contribution ... fundamentally you are held in the framework of your particular conditioning.

As ever, K talks about Freedom ... we all want freedom more than anything, especially freedom from being trapped by our mind and our conditioning. When studying K you'll find that not all is lost, you can well choose to be free. This is the Krishnamurti way: We all can choose to defeat conditioning. 

That is a potent message.